HPLC separation of benzaldehyde and acetophenone

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By dkm on Tuesday, October 7, 2003 - 07:36 am:

Baseline separation of benzaldehyde and acetophenone has not been achieved using typical chromatographic conditions. I have tried several types of C18 columns. The use of acetonitrile vs. methanol gives similar results. Is there a stationary phase well suited for these compounds?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By A.Nonymous on Tuesday, October 7, 2003 - 09:03 am:

Have you tried the reversed phase columns especially designed for retaining polar compounds?
eg Waters Atlantis dC18, Alltech Prevail C18, ...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By dkm on Tuesday, October 7, 2003 - 01:03 pm:

I have tried the Waters Atlantis dC18, Waters XTerra RP18, and Hypersil Hypurity Advance as polar retentive candidates. I am able to achieve retention, just not resolution.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By A.Nonymous on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 09:19 am:

I guess it can be done with a reversed phase stationary phase like RP18, C18.

Have you tried to increase the temperature?
Just make some injections with 2 different concentrations of organic phase, and 2 different temperatures (4 runs total). Now you are sure you can see the effect of these 2 parameters. If this doesn't help, try the effect of acid, but my guess is that this isn't neccesary.

You can make your mobile phase acidic with eg 0.1% phosphoric acid, TFA, ....
(see (p 12))


Good luck and stay in touch...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By MG on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 10:09 am:

I have found that phenyl stationary phases have worked in cases where all manner of C18's and C8's have given inadequate selectivity (regardless of N or k'). Rumor is they work better with methanol as organic modifier, and that's what I've found anecdotally.

I have also experimented a little with a pentafluorophenyl phase, and found it gave different selectivity than either C18/C8 or phenyl. The one I used was from MicroSolv (www.microsolvtech.com) and called "F5". Thermo-Hypersil-Keystone also makes a couple of fluorinated phases, and I think one of them is the PFP.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By A.Mouse on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 01:54 pm:

I am highly surprised that these two compounds do not separate. What were the retention factors that you worked with?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By Separations Guy on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 - 05:23 pm:

OK, I'm no rocket scientist (well, maybe close) so I spent 45 minutes today on this, as a favor. All this "guessing" doesn't add too much. No, I didn't weigh anything out. On a traditional type "A" RP-18 column, I could readily separate these to baseline using 16% ACN, 8% THF, remainder aqueous with a little acetic acid in it (don't know if the acetic acid is necessary); benzaldehyde eluted first, to baseline, in a 4 minute run. THF can really help with stuff that co-elutes, wouldn't use it otherwise. I also used a specialty column and resolved them with 10% ACN, 10% THF, remainder acetic acid-water, but this was a 9 minute run, again benzaldehyde eluting first. I didn't try to post chromatograms, didn't think that work was necessary.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By dkm on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 10:51 am:

I obtained baseline resolution using 40% Methanol on an XTerra MS8 3.5µm column. This column contains ether linkages that may contribute to the selectivity. I was unable to use THF for my application due to other compounds with limited UV response. Thankyou for your suggestions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By Uwe Neue on Friday, October 10, 2003 - 04:48 pm:

Glad you got a separation. Just one correction: XTerra MS C8 does not contain any ehter linkages. It is a plain old C8 bonded to a hybrid particle. This hybrid particle contains methyl groups in the matrix, attached to the silicone atoms. This makes it more stable than silica at alkaline pH.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of pageLink to this message  By dkm on Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 09:02 am:

Uwe Neue,
I described the bonding of the XTerra MS8 incorrectly as "containing ether linkages", I was referring to the trifunctional ligand chemistry that produces three Si-O-Si bonds at the base of the ligand.


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